tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post3109668930712240883..comments2024-03-28T07:25:19.546-07:00Comments on Dorothy Surrenders: Out of this worldDorothy Snarkerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10143059192565751994noreply@blogger.comBlogger95125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-69046587082902143942012-01-24T02:29:10.221-08:002012-01-24T02:29:10.221-08:00Our one of my Air Conditioning Service Humble busi...Our one of my <a href="http://www.kacexpress.com/" rel="nofollow">Air Conditioning Service Humble</a> business, we are able to find and fix problems the first time and ensure that our new systems are properly sized to provide maximum comfort for your family.Air Conditioning Service Humblehttp://www.kacexpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-6088218443045800032011-11-22T08:12:32.401-08:002011-11-22T08:12:32.401-08:00Just quickly dropped by to post the behind the sce...Just quickly dropped by to post the behind the scenes with the Santana slapping Finn thing. Naya is so adorable.<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hWHaiBOph8<br /><br />I never watched Glee but this Santana/Britanny story line honestly got me wondering. Also, I confess that I watched the Adele mash-off around 17 times and apparently I am not close to getting tired of seeing that wonder (and let me say... Santana is so subtly beautiful, sexy and full of emotion on that).Fernandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04887845778670439399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-62314485834729779282011-11-20T10:17:56.585-08:002011-11-20T10:17:56.585-08:00Wonderful episode, wonderful songs, wonderful Naya...Wonderful episode, wonderful songs, wonderful Naya...there's just one thing that annoys me...yes...Finn...it's like an underlying mistake...every Glee character like everyone of us in real life has a good and a dark side - except for Brittany, but she's like a wonderful magic fairy - but everyone has always paid for every mistake, such as Rachel, Quinn and most of all the poor Santana – yes, I love her anything she does and I can’t understand who doesn’t...but why the hell Finn seems to be above the human and real painful side of the mistakes you make? Does he want Rachel? He's got Rachel. Does he want Quinn? He's got Quinn. Does he want a solo? He's got the solo. Does he want be mean to Santana? He can do that without any kind of consequence. Okay, you can say maybe Santana wouldn't ever have come out if he didn't do the horrible and unforgettable thing he did, but he did one of the meanest mistakes a person can do - not telling about his cruel words about the according to him doubtful love coming from Brittany, when the blonde clearly deeply loves her, it's evident - and he has to pay. And, holy christ, Santana restricts herself to tell him he's fat, how can these two nasty things be compared?? But we have to breath, breath and wait for the divine punishment he deserves...breath...breath and think about how Brittana is meant to be...and according to me the award of the episode goes to the "stop the violence" moment...God...perfect...I know these sweet little Brittana moments is all that we Brittana shippers have, but their perfect imperfection compensates us for all that we haven't seen yet.the old phibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07672278024181131224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-13678352131480850382011-11-19T13:42:59.022-08:002011-11-19T13:42:59.022-08:00Thank you so much for putting that feeling into wo...Thank you so much for putting that feeling into words.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14225927335474595954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-48024145653083966132011-11-19T07:32:56.698-08:002011-11-19T07:32:56.698-08:00soapbox much?
nothing like simplistic moralizing....soapbox much? <br />nothing like simplistic moralizing.<br /><br />Ah, I love the smell of arrogance in the morning.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-15547979148056606592011-11-19T06:41:18.055-08:002011-11-19T06:41:18.055-08:00I don't think that Santana should have been ou...I don't think that Santana should have been outed, neither do I believe that she should have bullied Finn like that. Both Santana and Finn don't deserve any of this, if Glee is trying to send a message that bullying is wrong, then they should really make the next few episodes about the effects of bullying and make both Santana and Finn realise that what they did to each other was wrong. Santana might be a massive bitch, but Finn is also being a jerk to other people like Blaine who just sits there and puts up with his crap. I think both of these characters should learn that bullying someone doesn’t make you any better or worse than that other person, it doesn't make you stronger. No person deserves to be bullied! Glee has the amazing opportunity to set an example in the next few episodes and I hope they will take advantage of it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-1861931095095814072011-11-18T16:17:45.478-08:002011-11-18T16:17:45.478-08:00Thank you so much for this post; it is beautiful. ...Thank you so much for this post; it is beautiful. I don't watch Glee (I know, bad lesbian) but what you said about coming out really hit home for me. I'm trying to balance my life by being out to some and not to others, and it's hard. I have conflicting emotions about it every day. This post helped me to know that I'm not alone. Thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-5401983445064422982011-11-18T16:07:33.281-08:002011-11-18T16:07:33.281-08:00No one has ever risked being disowned, made homele...No one has ever risked being disowned, made homeless, or killed because someone said they were fat. No one ever tried to rape someone else to make them thin. The comparisons between outing someone and insulting one's appearance, religion, etc. are false. There is nothing equivalent. There are no laws that criminalize obesity, but there are countries where one can be arrested for being gay, and sentenced to life or put to death (Iran comes to mind first). Stop conflating things that have nothing to do with one another.ysubassoonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-68682708237394409162011-11-18T15:15:24.324-08:002011-11-18T15:15:24.324-08:00That is one of the most powerful, intelligent, acc...That is one of the most powerful, intelligent, accurate blogs you have written Ms Snarker. A credit to you, your ethics and your intelligence - many thanks!Yet...https://www.blogger.com/profile/13086118658708933381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-46024820082795991562011-11-17T23:18:16.517-08:002011-11-17T23:18:16.517-08:00No one deserves outing, especially a teenager in a...No one deserves outing, especially a teenager in a hostile environment. Because that's what Santana is. Our beliefs about not outing closeted people should apply to all gays, not just the ones who act like angels. If your beliefs only apply to good people, you don't really hold those beliefs do you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-86191056222676081642011-11-17T21:41:23.455-08:002011-11-17T21:41:23.455-08:00WOW!!
I'm a middle aged straight man that stum...WOW!!<br />I'm a middle aged straight man that stumbled on your blog a while back. I check in once in a while because we have similar tastes in women. Yes, Tina Fey is beautiful, intelligent and funny. Tank tops are sexy and most women are beautiful in some way if you look for it.<br /><br />I started reading some of your stuff instead of just checking out the pictures and you too are intelligent, sometimes funny and sometimes thought provoking. This was a thought provoking read.<br /><br />I've seen Glee but never watched it for more than a few minutes. I didn't see last nights show.<br /><br />As you explained, I will never be able to know what it is like to come out. I do however have a much clearer view of it now. Even though I really had never given it much thought, it is much more intense than I could have realized.<br /><br />I have a few friends, men and women, that are out and a few more that might be gay. I haven't asked. It doesn't matter. I now have a better understanding of what they have and will go through.<br /><br />You made me really think about this and it was incredibly eye opening.<br /><br />Thank you!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-8825937020912838332011-11-17T11:54:07.063-08:002011-11-17T11:54:07.063-08:00I totally agree that a normal person should be abl...I totally agree that a normal person should be able to come out at their own pace, their own decision, their own timing. But the Finn/Santana confrontation did not happen in a vacuum. She was not some hapless victim. She was a victimizer who was attacking someone she was once not just friends with, but lovers with. She outed his first sexual encounter - and belittled it - she has outed most of her Glee-mates own secret pain.<br /><br />I also want to add that Finn didn't "out" Santana, the a-hole running for Senate is the one outing a High School minor on a TV ad because his daughter overheard their discussion.<br /><br />Finn didn't video tape her and broadcast it, he didn't start a face book page, he didn't announce it at the cafeteria. He responded to her very hurtful, and constant, taunts. <br /><br />After a certain point, Santana loses a lot of her ground with me due to her behavior. You can't go around bullying people, outing all their pain and secrets, being mean to people who thought they were your friends without some repercussions. <br /><br />Santana has to own her side of this, she pushed everyone too far, she was mean, she was the bully on the school yard. She got burned because she hurt a friend and that friend was trying to reach her on a different level. <br /><br />It happened in a school hallway, but no way do I consider that Finn outing Santana, not when Santana and Brit walk down the hall holding hands and cuddling and everyone knows they party kiss. It's the guy who put it out there on an ad that was wrong. And Santana for being so mean she pushed a friend to the breaking point.Elizabethnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-13236200911017138792011-11-17T11:10:45.735-08:002011-11-17T11:10:45.735-08:00Excellent article and I agree with everything you ...Excellent article and I agree with everything you said save for one point "no one deserves to be outed". This I respectfully disagree with. People who fly the "family values" banner and work to oppress a minority that they belong to do indeed deserve to be outed to expose their hypocrisy. You can't pass laws to restrict the rights of gay people during the week and then pick them up in airport bathrooms on the weekend and not deserve to get bitten in the ass by that. But that isn't the mainstream high school life you were discussing in your post. You really elevated the point of a show that has been anything but elevated this season.Pipistrellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09285789378943803370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-67488545823599712282011-11-17T10:47:59.782-08:002011-11-17T10:47:59.782-08:00I am no gasper, but when Finn said that to Santana...I am no gasper, but when Finn said that to Santana in the hallway, I did an out loud so you can hear it gasp. I felt it in my gut and in my soul. <br />Thanks Ms Snarker for this wonderful post that says everything I feel but didn't have these great words in this order to convey to anyone. I will point them to you, and not for the first time.Bentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-82742334046805713952011-11-17T10:07:39.218-08:002011-11-17T10:07:39.218-08:00Like any good lesbian, I've spent a lot of tim...Like any good lesbian, I've spent a lot of time processing my feelings about this episode.<br /><br />I don't understand the she-deserved-it argument. I know that Santana has been mean and sometimes downright vicious toward people, but I don't think that applies to Finn. Bullying takes advantage of a person's isolation. Santana doesn’t generally attack the weak, she goes after strong people to try to give herself an advantage over them. <br /><br />If she had been targeting Rory, that would be bullying. Finn is the QB of the football team; she's the head cheerleader. They're equals in the high-school hierarchy, so it's disingenuous to call what she was doing bullying at all. She had a rivalry with Finn; even he said that it was "trash talk". He had told Rory that they needed to find a way to get into her head. He believed that outing her to the school was equivalent to simple competitive behavior. It was NOT a response to being bullied.Amanda Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03500305119861185537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-53111016196385680072011-11-17T09:08:47.514-08:002011-11-17T09:08:47.514-08:00I think in the fictional world of television this ...I think in the fictional world of television this is a powerful way to bring to light the pain, hurt and confusion it is to be a closeted teen and how words mean things and have consequences. I totally agree that the character Finn crossed a line regardless of Santana's tirade and hurtful rhetoric. But I applaud the writers for doing this as subsequent episodes can explore teen bullying, pain and thought of suicide just due to who your attracted to. Bring to light the bullying and how words and actions have profound consequences for both. In life I have always had the stance that coming out is a private , personal thing that only the person involved can do...whether this is a regular person or celebrity or politician. My one caviot, Dorothy Surrenders brings up, is those people in political office who influence law and policy makers that are closeted yet vote to keep equal rights both in civil unions and in work place rights out of our reach.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-8473148574129453442011-11-17T07:23:20.484-08:002011-11-17T07:23:20.484-08:00Anonymous from 12:57 AM, what you wrote about Finn...Anonymous from 12:57 AM, what you wrote about Finn was just so, so accurate and bears repeating: <br /><br />"Pushed to his emotional limits, faced with an uncertain future, forced to cope with the fact that he's just not good enough to follow his dreams as they are, increasingly confused and frightened and unsteady, and then along comes Santana. And she pokes and prods and insults every facet of his being: his weight, his looks, his singing, his dancing, his sexual prowess, his girlfriend. She pushes him and yeah, what he does is wrong, but I -know- what it's like to be pushed so far that all thoughts of rational, reasonable, sane retaliation fly out the window. I know what it's like to want to go straight for the nuclear option, to scorch the earth and utterly annihilate the problem, and damn the costs."<br /><br />That's some brilliant, gorgeously worded close reading. And I'm so sorry you've been put in that position before. <br /><br />As for Santana: I'm a little disturbed by the number of people minimizing her behavior as "bitchy" or "mean" in this episode. Really, she was vile, violent, abusive, toxic; laughter is absolutely *not* a normal reaction to watching someone bleed. <br /><br />She may not have deserved a public outing (and like you, DS, I normally agree with Maddow's three basic beliefs about the ethics of coming out), but Santana needed, at the very least, an intervention on Tuesday, because that toxic level of hate was ruining her character and poisoning everyone around her. <br /><br />That's obviously not to say she's a bad person. She's been kicked all her life, and she's bearing a huge secret, so, naturally, she's lashing out at the world in self-defense. I don't want to tread into dangerous territory and talk about race and gender, but...well, being a woman and a racial minority does make you more vulnerable, doesn't it? As does being a closeted gay woman in a potentially neglectful, abusive family. <br /><br />The Glee writers deserve credit where credit's due, I think. Kurt is a sweetheart because his father is a stand-up man and a supportive father, and Kurt's sexuality is really his only major burden. Santana is a "bitch"--and well beyond--because she doesn't have Kurt's luxuries. (Same with Quinn, right? It was pretty illuminating to see her family in the first season--and the Fabrays, incidentally, are pretty closely the mirror image of my family--and I've been known to lash out at the world like a frightened animal as well, although I'd like to believe I'm actually a pretty decent person at heart). <br /><br />Santana didn't deserve to be outed, no. But the outing was a natural, realistic consequence of the situation. <br /><br />I guess this is all just to echo everyone who saw Tuesday's Glee as supremely messy, morally ambiguous, and highly debatable.<br /><br />And although us crazy bitches appreciate the unconditional love of the LGBT family, I think anyone who feels like Santana (or Quinn) should invest in therapy. Seriously, it's worth the money. I would know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-14068737501579296982011-11-17T07:08:55.116-08:002011-11-17T07:08:55.116-08:00Thank you for saying these. (with some of the craz...Thank you for saying these. (with some of the crazy things that are happening online, on AE)<br /><br />I couldn't say better myself.LThttp://blog.yam.com/ltblognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-79614461996580944812011-11-17T04:56:10.843-08:002011-11-17T04:56:10.843-08:00Thank you. You're my hero!Thank you. You're my hero!Shadenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-82054667897878514642011-11-17T04:55:56.605-08:002011-11-17T04:55:56.605-08:00Thank you. You're my hero!Thank you. You're my hero!Shadenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-1954834879008089992011-11-17T04:48:52.174-08:002011-11-17T04:48:52.174-08:00agree with Simone
Glee is total BS, nothing to sav...agree with Simone<br />Glee is total BS, nothing to save or to think for that matteAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-17694824235706660642011-11-17T02:16:38.365-08:002011-11-17T02:16:38.365-08:00Firstly, thank you. I have not watched the episode...Firstly, thank you. I have not watched the episode but started crying whilst reading your post. It was only after the earlier episode of 'Sexy' that I was even able to admit who I was to myself. I am a long from coming out to my family who I know will hate me for it. However, when I decide to I want it to be because I am ready to and for no other reason.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-45108905162815961572011-11-17T01:00:44.963-08:002011-11-17T01:00:44.963-08:00Whew, lots of comments on this one... Bottom line,...Whew, lots of comments on this one... Bottom line, from my POV, is that I agree with everything you say, as freaking usual. No one deserves to be outed, whether they are a bully or not. <br /><br />I have been lucky enough in my life, so far, to, by and large, do all my own outing. There have been those infrequent moments of sheer panic, though, when I thought I was about to be outed to someone I wasn't ready to be outed to. I'm a grown, adult woman (in spite of what some of your readers apparently think of the rest of your readership) and even now it isn't always easy to make that little comment or say those simple words.<br /><br />In the end, every single time we come out, we're taking a risk. And no one, but NO ONE, should be allowed to push you into that position of potential danger without your consent. It's the worst kind of forcing one's will on another that I can think of.Norma Desmondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04064997154001326287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-89783003018539356172011-11-17T00:57:50.171-08:002011-11-17T00:57:50.171-08:00I'm extremely torn about this development. On...I'm extremely torn about this development. On the one hand, I agree that what Finn did was horrible, inexcusable, and ruinous.<br /><br />And on the other, I can actually sympathize with him. Pushed to his emotional limits, faced with an uncertain future, forced to cope with the fact that he's just not good enough to follow his dreams as they are, increasingly confused and frightened and unsteady, and then along comes Santana. And she pokes and prods and insults every facet of his being: his weight, his looks, his singing, his dancing, his sexual prowess, his girlfriend. She pushes him and yeah, what he does is wrong, but I -know- what it's like to be pushed so far that all thoughts of rational, reasonable, sane retaliation fly out the window. I know what it's like to want to go straight for the nuclear option, to scorch the earth and utterly annihilate the problem, and damn the costs.<br /><br />I hope Finn is forced to come to terms with the costs of his actions, because he crossed a line that shouldn't have been crossed. But he's young, and stupid, and a raging emotional mess, and that's what happens sometimes when you get pushed just that extra distance.<br /><br />I wouldn't have wished this on Santana, and I don't think she deserves it, but she's not blameless in the least, for ramping up the bullying and the hate and the spite to such toxic levels. Her constant attacking of other people, of emotionally assaulting them on ever level, had to draw down consequences of some sort, otherwise it would have sent a horrible message regarding bullying. What she did is just as "not okay" as what Finn did, in very different ways. <br /><br />I just hope that once they're done breaking Santana down, they can build her back up as someone stronger and happier and more able to deal with the world. And I hope Finn has to perform extreme acts of contrition. Maybe public service with PFLAG?<br /><br />Sorry to be wordy, but as a former victim of bullying, this really has been churning around inside of me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-35718963870034272542011-11-17T00:10:35.864-08:002011-11-17T00:10:35.864-08:00Santana was OTT on her insults this episode but di...Santana was OTT on her insults this episode but didn't Finn tell Rory that it was part of her trash talking them for the competition? Finn should have decided not to trash talk her back and come up with the dodgeball game or confronted her in private. I think he knew he was outing her and it wasn't in the heat of the moment because he was blase about outing her to the school at the end of the episode.<br /><br />In the end they made her meaner as a plot device so Finn wouldn't look so bad in the eyes of the masses. I don't completely hate this storyline because hopefully Naya will get more screen time and she has something to show off her acting talent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com