tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post4347070244398508917..comments2024-03-28T07:25:19.546-07:00Comments on Dorothy Surrenders: The Madness of Mama CDorothy Snarkerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10143059192565751994noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-48189083805950218342009-02-26T17:50:00.000-08:002009-02-26T17:50:00.000-08:00notonlybutalso - that was worth all the typing. T...notonlybutalso - that was worth all the typing. Thank you. I hope your gin got freshened.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-88544809645130896022009-01-31T04:13:00.000-08:002009-01-31T04:13:00.000-08:00Snarker, this is the most on-point analysis of tha...Snarker, this is the most on-point analysis of that huge ball of crazy, Mama C! You rock.Louisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09893842637519281632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-52957359257816788792009-01-30T18:38:00.000-08:002009-01-30T18:38:00.000-08:00Thanks for this! God I hate her and her ego so muc...Thanks for this! <BR/><BR/>God I hate her and her ego so much! She's such a fucking loser bad writer. The truth is the L Word has little to no competition in scripted televsion in the USA. Thus a lot of women LIKE MYSELF find myself watching her show from time to time because there are so few alternatives for lesbian women. I WOULDN'T GIVE THIS AWFUL SHOW (other than the fun season 1)THE TIME OF DAY NORMALLY. And people rant about it because it both sucks and is an embarrassment of storytelling. <BR/><BR/>This lack of competition is the same reason the only other TV shows I watch are Spanish ones on Youtube (like Hospital Central). I really hope no one ever gives her another show, much less a movie. <BR/><BR/>I am so sad Showtime didn't pick an actually talented writer to do this show. What a squandered opportunity by a hack.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-34249100912671004792009-01-28T03:17:00.000-08:002009-01-28T03:17:00.000-08:00Smack on target, Ms. Snarker.Smack on target, Ms. Snarker.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-34240066837191948212009-01-28T02:41:00.000-08:002009-01-28T02:41:00.000-08:00Of course, Ms Snarker, the real question to be ans...Of course, Ms Snarker, the real question to be answered is not who killed Jenny but who killed the L-Word. We don't need to look far. There she is, in the library with the lead pipe, IN THE MIDDLE OF HER OWN GODDAMNED PUBLICITY SHOT. I've given up marvelling at Mama C's ego. The reality is that she didn't make this show; the likes of Rose Troche and the other talented writers and directors who guided it expertly through its early seasons breathed life and love into it, and the fans have kept it staggering along over the last couple of seasons. (Hey, 45 comments and counting on this blog alone...Chaiken's doing something right...)<BR/>But I will fall to my knees and give a prayer of thanks for the crazy bitch every time I read one of your posts (or one of Scribegrrl's) because the L-Word brought me to you (and may no one put us asunder).<BR/><BR/>Now someone freshen my gin - that was a lot of typing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-23594976295444378382009-01-27T19:06:00.000-08:002009-01-27T19:06:00.000-08:00Hate is not the opposite of love, indifference is....Hate is not the opposite of love, indifference is. And it has been a long time since I cared what happened on The L Word. <BR/><BR/>I have compared it to being a battered wife - the first year was so good, you can't help but think those brighter times can be recaptured. <BR/><BR/>In the second year, the first cracks show up in the facade. The pressure is too much. You make excuses for poor behaviour. <BR/><BR/>The third year can be devastating. You're really being abused now, but you've invested so much, it's hard to let go. But let go, you must. Say good bye, and watch the good clips on youtube, or pull out vacation pictures from the honeymoon. <BR/><BR/>It will never be as good as it was once the ego has landed.<BR/><BR/>swimmieAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-62454385831513458472009-01-27T16:31:00.000-08:002009-01-27T16:31:00.000-08:00HAHAHAHA I cannot believe someone blamed the viewe...HAHAHAHA I cannot believe someone blamed the viewers, IC put out the product and we watched! It's called cause and effect. She wrote it.<BR/><BR/>I wonder if that is IC in disguise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-34160386654644344232009-01-27T16:16:00.000-08:002009-01-27T16:16:00.000-08:00Dorothy -You called it right when you said, "The g...Dorothy -<BR/><BR/>You called it right when you said, "The great failure of “The L Word” has and continues to be that Ilene's ego is its unseen yet most insistent character."<BR/><BR/>Hoorah! At least someone around here is telling the truth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-21982487275956877652009-01-27T10:54:00.000-08:002009-01-27T10:54:00.000-08:00Wow, not much to add but that I agree with many of...Wow, not much to add but that I agree with many of the comments. A bad combination of horrible writing/arrogance like IC's is instantly a turn off for me with a show, no matter how valliantly it tries to be saved. Ms. Snarker, you are a poetic, hilarious genius with your arguments, as you usually are. Too bad you didn't end up writing for TLW! :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-78382558020508126382009-01-27T08:12:00.000-08:002009-01-27T08:12:00.000-08:00"Ilene deserved a much better audience than the on..."Ilene deserved a much better audience than the one she wound up with. The show has always had a more indie film sensibility and it's being marketing like War of the Worlds or something. So it's no surprise that, thanks to that angle of marketing, it drew in the same idiotic, unimaginative sheep that movies like that do."<BR/><BR/>I can't disagree with this more strongly. It's so not worth taking on the shallow elitism inherent in your argument, so I'll just argue on your terms. Its "indie film" sensibility suffers from the worst failings (and very few of the strengths) of the genre: pointless narcissism, self-referentially and terminal immaturity that reveal little else about a character or story. I think you're letting the production values, fashion and style, and art-speak pretentions blind you, just as does much of the "indie film" audience.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-81612215164227121162009-01-27T06:56:00.000-08:002009-01-27T06:56:00.000-08:00Here's some rants for ya:--Why would Bette &am...Here's some rants for ya:<BR/><BR/>--Why would Bette & Tina look into having another baby, when they don't even seem to parent the one they have? I mean, seriously, these women do not act like moms. Where is Angelica half the time?<BR/><BR/>--Like Alice said, "And don't even get me started on the kids, because where did they go?" Helena had kids, and now she doesn't. I have a feeling IC will play this off somehow with another character line, like, "Oh, they were never my kids in the first place, so they're with their dad now."<BR/><BR/>--In episode 601 Shane admits "It's not even like me," while crashing on Kit's couch. Hmm, ya think? IC has to throw in character lines like this and Alice's just to make her plot SORT of make a little more sense. So lame.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for ranting for us all. God only knows where this will end.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-77674916381791940502009-01-27T06:43:00.000-08:002009-01-27T06:43:00.000-08:00God, you nail the nail right on the head. Ilene i...God, you nail the nail right on the head. Ilene is a lunatic.<BR/><BR/>I've been watching the new Diablo Cody show on showtime. It really makes the L Word look like crap.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-31919253709934790032009-01-27T05:55:00.000-08:002009-01-27T05:55:00.000-08:00i saw the 602 episode and thought what a boring sh...i saw the 602 episode and thought what a boring show the l word has turn into,i gaped the hole time and thought again, is this really the best what the scripwriter has in their mind? come on!!! jenny and shane??? come on!!!i'm so tired to see an other best friend couple, first alice and dana and now after 3 other season's jenny and shane??? does IC really thinks we all have TV-Alzheimer's? come on IC!!! the best in Episode 602 was Alice and Tasha unrealistic back to lovers realationsship storyline and helena and dylan's meet again storyline! i hope for leisha hailey, that the TLW spin- off has a mutch better script;-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-45047984439383018612009-01-27T05:49:00.000-08:002009-01-27T05:49:00.000-08:00I am so sick of this woman. She should be so thank...I am so sick of this woman. She should be so thankful to the actors, especially Tibette for giving her such great success, because we all know the writing is NOT what keeps us coming back. It seems to me that she is super egotistic and could care lass about the fans, who aren't really HER fans anyways. She should be thanking her lucky stars she got blessed with such AWESOME actors. I will no longer support this woman after The L Word is over. Not that I did in the first place. Thanks to the actors who went above and beyond.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-684664423250963082009-01-27T02:07:00.000-08:002009-01-27T02:07:00.000-08:00WTF!Ilene is absolutely crazy! If I don't "hate" h...WTF!<BR/><BR/>Ilene is absolutely crazy! If I don't "hate" her so much, I'd have to love her.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-85888669448589418922009-01-26T19:57:00.000-08:002009-01-26T19:57:00.000-08:00"You're absolutely failing if you don't have plent...<I>"You're absolutely failing if you don't have plenty of people ranting and raving," [Chaiken said].</I><BR/><BR/>This explains just about everything.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-70336178316829285862009-01-26T19:18:00.000-08:002009-01-26T19:18:00.000-08:00Oh, I forgot....Incisive piece of analysis, Ms. Sn...Oh, I forgot....<BR/><BR/>Incisive piece of analysis, Ms. Snarker. Thank you. <BR/><BR/>I wonder if the suits will listen to you and take Chaiken's toy away from her. <BR/><BR/>I'm looking forward to a new lesbian producer who can deliver a genuinely brilliant show. Soon!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-6272978266319506822009-01-26T19:11:00.000-08:002009-01-26T19:11:00.000-08:00You know, for someone who is supposed to have "pio...You know, for someone who is supposed to have "pioneered"<BR/>a never-before-seen Lesbian TV show, Chaiken has a shocking lack of original ideas. As in NONE. <BR/><BR/>This is sooooo transparent in her pending follow up show with Alice. <BR/><BR/>Prison?!@##$$%^WTF! Hasn't lesbians in prisons been done to death? Remember Prisoner: Cell Block H? Came out in the 1970's.<BR/><BR/>And of course more recently, the truly impeccable Bad Girls for a couple of seasons. <BR/><BR/>So you can see what a sad case Chaiken is. Time for her to retire. Permanently. <BR/><BR/>I'm embarrassed. Chaiken is a monumental fake. Just.Go.Away.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-55011005876463334582009-01-26T19:09:00.000-08:002009-01-26T19:09:00.000-08:00You are spot on. IC's ego is the worst character. ...You are spot on. IC's ego is the worst character. She is messing with us because she can. She took this great thing, this ground-breaking show... and instead smashed it into the ground. And we have all suffered along with it because we have no other lesbian-centric shows to watch. It's a shame. I hope IC reads some of these and sees what an ass she has been.elliBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00015667707542143891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-47095912041427550152009-01-26T18:15:00.000-08:002009-01-26T18:15:00.000-08:00For real. I do appreciate, however, the occasiona...For real. I do appreciate, however, the occasional return of what I like to call "the mysterious original creator of Alice," i.e. the writer who gives Leisha Hailey fun scenes! That she can play with! And act quirky! Which I think kinda happened in this last episode, because Alice got the sweet revenge of saying, regarding Helena, "And don't get me started on the kids, because who knows where they went." I'm hoping that IC didn't write that line and thought she was being witty by being self-referential (reverential), and that it really was one of the writers letting us know that they, too, think this is some f-ed up shennanegans.lishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03647625031764576992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-9274411490227398812009-01-26T17:59:00.000-08:002009-01-26T17:59:00.000-08:00https://twitter.com/ask_ileneLOLOLOLOLOLhttps://twitter.com/ask_ilene<BR/><BR/>LOLOLOLOLOLSarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06063245337477844172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-4622063075448528982009-01-26T17:55:00.000-08:002009-01-26T17:55:00.000-08:00Snarker...I hope you read these comments...it's no...Snarker...I hope you read these comments...it's not clear if you do or not but ass-u-me you do. So...if you do I would like to say that your ruminations on the L Word are bloody brilliant. I never realized just how lame and egotistical this show is until you pointed it out. And how wonderful it is that so many of your readers agree and can totally relate, we truly are similar in so many ways. I said last night that this show has become a Soap Opera and unfortunately that's the truth. Enough said. On another and much more important note, I want to thank you for introducing me to Sarah Haskins. She is hysterical...dare I say....even funnier than your current wife! Hey...with this legal marriage thing, there's always room for D-I-V-O-R-C-E!!<BR/>LOVE YOUAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-7134402299311856482009-01-26T16:27:00.000-08:002009-01-26T16:27:00.000-08:00"Let's face it: the current audience of the L Word..."Let's face it: the current audience of the L Word are shamefully shallow and aren't used to using their brains."<BR/><BR/>I'm sure the movie will be marketed to a much brighter audience. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-82514401921372028722009-01-26T15:34:00.000-08:002009-01-26T15:34:00.000-08:00"Ilene deserved a much better audience than the on..."Ilene deserved a much better audience than the one she wound up with."<BR/><BR/>Hey! Commenter above, we don't always watch the show because of sex scenes - we watched, and continue to watch because it's a little piece of lesbian heaven where we see our lives reflected on screen. "Lesbians" are not like generic, you know. <BR/><BR/>We're a motley crew of very diverse and different people. We're not like "the salacious type" vs "the intellectually stimulated art film loving" goons.<BR/><BR/>P/s: I don't understand your rationale of blaming the audience. It's like blaming a person's taste buds when the chef has ruined the meal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-1712511178283171392009-01-26T13:54:00.000-08:002009-01-26T13:54:00.000-08:00I think 99% of the problem is that the marketing o...I think 99% of the problem is that the marketing of the show has always been all wrong. This show is a very weird, quirky, eccentric little show and yet Showtime marketed it as the next Sex and the City for lesbians, which drew in the exact kind of audience Ilene didn't want: shallow lesbians who just want to ogle hot women on their tv who occasionally kiss other hot women while wearing schnazzy clothes.<BR/><BR/>Let's face it: the current audience of the L Word are shamefully shallow and aren't used to using their brains. They support terrible relationships and cheer on one morally bankrupt character but boo another character who's done many of the same things - some characters who've even done things that, in the real world, they absolutely would have gone to jail for. But because JB (or KF or SS or KL, etc. etc.) is hot, the shallow fans are willing to overlook all of that. <BR/><BR/>Ilene deserved a much better audience than the one she wound up with. The show has always had a more indie film sensibility and it's being marketing like War of the Worlds or something. So it's no surprise that, thanks to that angle of marketing, it drew in the same idiotic, unimaginative sheep that movies like that do. <BR/><BR/>I don't think Ilene is as much to blame for the show's writing being uneven as it is she's trying to write for a show that has an audience who can't comprehend the most basic of plot points or story arcs without having every single twist and turn fed to them like candy. I don't blame Ilene for the downfall of this show, I blame Showtime and I blame the idiot fans.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com