tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post1909774033503419831..comments2024-03-27T10:34:14.352-07:00Comments on Dorothy Surrenders: Using the R WordDorothy Snarkerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10143059192565751994noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-7750055890696312892014-05-04T07:02:35.444-07:002014-05-04T07:02:35.444-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14607569686818514554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-36869458308207210922014-05-04T07:01:36.170-07:002014-05-04T07:01:36.170-07:00It's a common scene in pop culture too. Dude s...It's a common scene in pop culture too. Dude starts off raping a chick and all the sudden she is into it and the continues with her brushing it off and loving her rapist. No wonder date rape is considered a joke by a lot of sick people. <br /><br />Over all though the commentary is what disturbs me the most. I saw the scene and I saw a rape all the way through. The writers and director implying consent because of her interaction at the end or even half way through is bullshit. Fuck me if someone is held hostage and forced to participate in the crimes of their captors we don't say well they consented to rob that bank. Same with rape. She participated as means of fucking survival and to get the shit over with. The folks at Game Of Thrones are either morons or really don't give a shit about rape. I suspect both.Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14607569686818514554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-16619905078153125692014-04-23T15:32:03.230-07:002014-04-23T15:32:03.230-07:00I don't watch the show and haven't read th...I don't watch the show and haven't read the books, but from the director's quote about it being consensual by the end and the rape being a turn-on for the characters, it sounds like the director is having his own rape fantasy - that women are "turned on" by rape.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-65774466923227029442014-04-23T14:53:39.676-07:002014-04-23T14:53:39.676-07:00I saw the beginning of this article before seeing ...I saw the beginning of this article before seeing the episode, stopped reading (thanks for spoiler alert) and thought "Oh dorothy dont make such a big deal out of this . . .its the middle ages. . women expect this. . .in the book cersei was okay with it" <br /><br />Watched the episode and came back to read the article and want to say "I was wrong Dorothy and you are spot on!".<br /><br />Three big things: it was definitely rape in the show, it was definitely consensual in the book, and anyone who says she wanted it by the end is an asshole. <br /><br />I hope HBO et al correct their asinine statements. They have veered from the book and that does change Cersei's character (also if you think this is rough for Cersei then buckle up kiddies!).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-72764304778026270052014-04-23T12:47:41.212-07:002014-04-23T12:47:41.212-07:00"Words matter. This should be obvious. Everyo..."Words matter. This should be obvious. Everyone abhors rape, that is a given (I hope). But we should also abhor when rape is called 'consent in the end.' Because some young man or woman watched that scene and then read the comments of the director and maybe thought, 'ok, so that is consent. It is ok if I do that to someone/someone does that to me.' And that is horrible. That makes me want to cry.<br /><br />Not everyone can fight to the end. Not everyone can fight from the beginning. There should be no need to fight. Saying no once should be enough. <br /><br />It is an important fight. Thank you, Dorothy, for taking it on."<br /><br />I wholeheartedly agree with you, anonymous. Go away f'ing trolls.<br /><br />I love exploring the word "consent" in our rape culture. The reason I love it is I find NO ONE knows what consent is!! S&M aficionados know all about this subject. Their ironclad rules should be studied. <br />Btw, I don't watch GOT, and glad of it. <br /><br />OITNB, Orphan Black, DaVinci's Demons <--- enuf for me. :Deggheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00588124238754622908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-45930357804402282202014-04-23T11:10:32.942-07:002014-04-23T11:10:32.942-07:00Words matter. This should be obvious. Everyone abh...Words matter. This should be obvious. Everyone abhors rape, that is a given (I hope). But we should also abhor when rape is called 'consent in the end.' Because some young man or woman watched that scene and then read the comments of the director and maybe thought, 'ok, so that is consent. It is ok if I do that to someone/someone does that to me.' And that is horrible. That makes me want to cry.<br /><br />Not everyone can fight to the end. Not everyone can fight from the beginning. There should be no need to fight. Saying no once should be enough. <br /><br />It is an important fight. Thank you, Dorothy, for taking it on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-73754320645485277282014-04-23T10:18:03.490-07:002014-04-23T10:18:03.490-07:00Thank you for your commentary, Ms Snarker, and for...Thank you for your commentary, Ms Snarker, and for calling it as you see it. I haven't seen the shows but I have read the books several times. The books are full of rape, murder, violence and tragedy. But, GRRM names it true when he writes it. In the book, this scene is not rape. I'm not going to watch the shows - the visual portrayals of violence are too graphic for me.ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07477806052578880686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-80791273290815713852014-04-22T23:05:18.533-07:002014-04-22T23:05:18.533-07:00I'm guessing that the only reason there has be...I'm guessing that the only reason there has been any issue taken with this scene is that the director claims it was consensual by the end and others disagree with that because Cersei is heard saying no several times and pushing him away....had there been no commentary about the scene and it had just played out as the fiction it is, I fail to see a problem....rape happens and is depicted on tv shows....so the problem is that the director failed to call what he filmed by the correct term?? I'd also say he failed to direct the scene correctly if he intended to show consent, yes she was making out with him but she was also saying no and pushing him away....given that that is what ended up in the scene, the director should not have called it consensual...but this scene being on the show isn't a problem beyond making both characters more detestable than they already were....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-42030967142049886862014-04-22T21:34:14.539-07:002014-04-22T21:34:14.539-07:00/\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\
Dude, you have no idea why Snar.../\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ <br />Dude, you have no idea why Snarker wrote this or why anyone who is commenting is pissed off. Nobody here is impressed by nameless trolls and their mind reading super powers. Move along.Your friend, Rustyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09250122442363898484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-34999324591765549072014-04-22T21:09:03.161-07:002014-04-22T21:09:03.161-07:00The only reason you are having a fit over this one...The only reason you are having a fit over this one scene of a BROTHER AND SISTER,who have at least two kids already together, having sex next to the body of THEIR DEAD SON! is because it was Lena Headey who was raped. If it was any other character you wouldn't be saying anything. Did you get offended when said dead son killed children because he didn't want anyone trying to take his crown? Also it's the middle agesish where I'm sure this thing was a regular occurrence. It's not right but it's true to the period.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-54452948426066118262014-04-22T18:56:02.855-07:002014-04-22T18:56:02.855-07:00I have to admit that if I hadn't read the seri...I have to admit that if I hadn't read the series (I'm on my re-read now) I'd not likely watch the show after this. <br /><br />It's not just a matter of "the books are better." It's a completely different experience when you're reading the various POV chapters. <br /><br />There was no doubt HBO showed a rape but even the book version was barely consensual. (And the show runners disagree with the director.) <br /><br />My problem with this scene is that it's one more instance of HBO version weakening a female character. TV Catelyn was dumber and Sansa is even more of a pawn. At least in the book she plotted has escape with Dontos.<br /><br />I will say that Yara (Asha), Brienne, and Margaery are better in the show. And The Queen of Thorns kills it.<br /><br />But seriously - read the books.Your friend, Rustyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09250122442363898484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-34366405685827446702014-04-22T16:27:08.426-07:002014-04-22T16:27:08.426-07:00I haven't reached this point in the book yet, ...I haven't reached this point in the book yet, but since I understand the series has already departed from the text on various occasions, it doesn't really matter. <br /><br />That having been said, I took Cersei 's "No" to refer solely to her refusal to have sex in front of her dead son's corpse, not to the act itself. Given the history of these two characters, I wasn't surprised, shocked or otherwise.<br /><br />While "Game of Thrones" has previously shown every barbarity imaginable, sexual or otherwise, in its 3+ seasons, I find it curious that your knickers are in such a twist over this scene. It wasn't done for titillation. Instead it reaffirmed what drives two very twisted individuals.<br /><br />BTW, did you cry as much over Robb Stark, his wife and their unborn child? Not to mention Catelyn Stark? Or over the girls north of the wall who were raped and impregnated by their father?Chirpernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-89238191718470669712014-04-22T15:57:16.810-07:002014-04-22T15:57:16.810-07:00Anonymous yes they do have sex after Jaime loses h...Anonymous yes they do have sex after Jaime loses his hand.<br />in the sept in this same occasion, however it is consensual.Carmen SanDiegonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-52380011010112730212014-04-22T15:25:10.714-07:002014-04-22T15:25:10.714-07:00In the book they do not have sex at all after he l...In the book they do not have sex at all after he loses his hand. Rape or otherwise. Wondering why the show had to put that in. Oh I know why because Cersei is a strong scary woman and needs to be raped. Ridiculous and sad culture we live in.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-39179180279101816432014-04-22T13:50:10.503-07:002014-04-22T13:50:10.503-07:00With about 40% or more of men there is no such thi...With about 40% or more of men there is no such thing as rape. <br /><br />oh wait I'm wrong, it's rape when a man bangs a man without consent. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-38662607923300800042014-04-22T12:36:32.467-07:002014-04-22T12:36:32.467-07:00Just like in the Military where 26,000 sexual assa...Just like in the Military where 26,000 sexual assaults occurred last year alone. In the OUR military, where "NO" means "YES". Any wonder why rape is portrayed as OK on TV.azinthesunnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26871122.post-50589780170873809382014-04-22T07:09:54.085-07:002014-04-22T07:09:54.085-07:00That was totally rape, I was shocked because I did...That was totally rape, I was shocked because I didn't remember it that was from the book. <br />And the book author, George RR Martin, is distancing himself from the director's choice<br /><br />http://grrm.livejournal.com/367116.html?thread=19030284#t19030284Carmen SanDiegonoreply@blogger.com